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Iron Flame Theory – Violet’s second signet is dream-sight

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Written by: Cory

Iron Flame theory - Violet has dream sight

Empyrean Series fans, please gather around because I finally figured out Violet’s second signet. And I am so certain of it, it’s unreal.

To get you excited, I would like to mention that Violet’s second signet has something to do with her ability to share Xaden’s dreams. And yes, I know we’ve talked about it but I think I figured it out what it means for her, why this is a crazy good power to have and how she will use it.

With this power, Violet will be able to be even more powerful than Melgren. And beautiful Liam? Oh Liam in that torture chamber? Oh that just makes sense right now.

Once I told you all of this, you will want to go back and re-read Iron Flame, guaranteed. Because EVERYTHING changed.

Where did the dream sight come from?

Before we start, I want to tell you the background story of how I figured it how, and it’s thanks to an anime.

The weather is very cold here in the UK and I’ve been feeling a little down lately, so I treated myself with tea, lots of snacks and a good series online. The series? My Happy Marriage, an anime based on the novel series written by Akumi Agitogi and illustrated by Tsukiho Tsukioka.

I know what you are thinking. Cory, what does an anime have to do with our Violet Sorrengail in the Empyrean Series? I’m so glad you asked.

In My Happy Marriage, the protagonist seems to have a lot in common with Violet. A childhood where only one of the parent was somewhat available until they died. A parent who is too busy with power rather than love for the child. A parent who sacrifices the child and sends her against her will to do something… etc etc

But then, the child turns out to be very special indeed. In My Marriage, the main character called Miyo has dream sight. And once I tell you what it does, you’ll realize how relevant this is to Violet.

What is dream sight as a signet?

Dream-Sight is a powerful power over a person’s sleep. Dream-Sight enables a person to manipulate the minds of others. For the purpose of using this as a signet, I will explain what Miyo can do in the anime. And you will imediately see how crazy useful this is going to be for our Violet.

Dream-Sight is a versatile ability that can be used for clairvoyance, locating missing items, and altering dreams.

Clairvoyance – is literally what Andarna can do. She waited to hatch for sooo long for Violet. And she knew Violet will become a rider. And this ability? WAY better than what Melgren has. From the most powerful, Melgren is pretty puny in comparison.

Locating missing items? Well hello written research and other works her dad did in the past. With her ability, she can located things. Remember her dreams of her dad in Fourth Wing? Oh yes, I bet it’s all coming to you. Her dad was telling her things through her dreams!!! She was already bonded to Andarna. Coincidence? I think not.

Altering dreams – Well well well…this is going to be a crazy cool feature indeed. She might confuse the enemy. Or might extract information. Alter the past and the future. Or even alter Melgren’s visions.

Users of this skill can view events from the past, present, and future during their sleep, making it a more powerful tool than many other similar abilities, such as Melgrens’ skill in foreseeing battle outcomes. OMG! A type of inntinnsic indeed. Excuse me, but didn’t our girl Violet say she needs to know everything? At all times? Information keeps her grounded. Well Violet, you shall have all the information at your finger tips!

Additionally, individuals with Dream-Sight can enter and change the dreams of any sleeping person, including themselves. Since everyone sleeps, this means they can influence anyone’s mind, regardless of their strength. It’s even possible to brainwash others using this skill by guiding them to perform specific actions or correct their mistakes while appearing as a deity in their dreams.

Can you take a moment to imagine how useful would this be for someone like Violet who needs to save Xaden? To keep HIM in check?

Violet’s second signet is dream sight

Is there any evidence that Violet’s second signer is dream sight?

Oh there is plenty. And I promise I will edit this article and bring you quotes to make it easier to see what I mean. But for now let’s focus on two of the most important things.

The dreams that she shares between her and Xaden? She either entered Xaden’s dreams or the venin’s dreams. Either way, she was uninvited there.

Do you remember how she is being dismissed when she asks Tairn if he saw her dreams? OH, I think that is so relevant. Because I think more than ever dreams are relevant. Because they are not just dreams. They are her signet being activated.

Do you remember Liam? She can talk to people from the past in her dreams. She was delusional. She can alter even her own dreams. That and I still think Liam was really sent back to her as a kindness from Malek because I still think Malek is her dad.

Do you remember in Fourth Wing how she dreamt of her father? I think she will have a lot more of these dreams. And given that both her parents are now dead with a lot of information missing, she will have to connect with the past via dreams somehow.

“They can see all of the past, present, and future in their sleep” which to me, means she will be able to get all her answers.

And I think Onyx Storm is going to be a lot cooler and full of action then. She will have to work on both her signets. But this dream sight? I think she will have to work on it without anyone else knowing she has it. Chances are, she is a type of inntinnsic. And very likely we will introduce more inntinnsics in Onyx Storm.

Alright, over to you now. What are your thoughts? I cannot wait to see what you think about this.

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Cory

Hello! I’m Cory, a devoted superfan of the Fourth Wing, Iron Flame and the Empyrean Series. My passion for these epic tales has led me to read and reread the books, each time uncovering new layers of information. I’ve created this site to share my insights and discoveries with fellow fans and anyone interested in exploring the rich world of Empyrean.

33 responses to “Iron Flame Theory – Violet’s second signet is dream-sight”

  1. Sole Avatar
    Sole

    Like this theory but I don’t think she needs to be asleep so what would it be called? Also, maybe this is another Easter egg when Imogen asks her while watching Sloane in the mat sparring ‘you suddenly develop Melgren’s signer over there?’

    Also wonder if anybody with a connection to venin gets intinnsic signets. Since they share a collective mind, this is something of the person that gets amplified. I think Xaden’s mom was venin. Wonder about the boy that got killed in 4th wing? Violet. Didn’t Violet also say she wouldn’t be surprised if Melgren took a mask off and underneath was vennin? Dain, I think his father is. Varrish his signet seems like a type of intrinsic too, being able to read weaknesses of people.

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      Also wonder if anybody with a connection to venin gets intinnsic signets -> I love this theory actually.
      And yes, you are right…‘you suddenly develop Melgren’s signer over there?’ -> this could very well be an Easter Egg!

      I think Xaden’s mom was venin. > I think she is the Goddess Dune 😛
      Didn’t Violet also say she wouldn’t be surprised if Melgren took a mask off and underneath was vennin? YUP!
      Dain, I think his father is. > DEF!
      Varrish his signet seems like a type of intrinsic too, being able to read weaknesses of people. -> YES! and he was def venin as well

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  2. Emma Avatar
    Emma

    Hi, about the second signet well… I think she is a slayer because Tairn said when she killed Varrish‘s dragon slayer. but the dream sight theory ist bad either. But a signet represents who you are from the inside this is gonna get interesting 😉

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      I think it’s going to be so good to see who Violet really is!

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  3. Zuzana Avatar
    Zuzana

    I don’t think it would be the signet from Andarna. At the time of her first dream, Andarna was still asleep

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      But still bonded to her. Do you think that the dragon needs to be awake and active for this to work?

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  4. Sole Avatar
    Sole

    “I need you to roll this fucker off you in three—” I start. “Rhi!” I shout out loud, taking aim. “Two.”
    She glances back, then throws her body flat between Tairn’s shoulders, and I reach forward, grasping her ankle and pulling the lever without hesitation. “One!”

    – the first lines to Rhi in this are italic. Was she speaking to Rhi like she speaks to Xaden? Fully inntinnsic then?!!

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      BTW, I was out on my first vacation. Sorry for the delay in approving these and answering.

      Wait, I thought she was just talking to Tairn there?

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      1. Sole Avatar
        Sole

        You’re right. It’s just that she didn’t say anything else out loud to Rhi so for a minute there I was like wait, did she communicate to Rhi what to do ?

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        1. Cory Avatar
          Cory

          Oh thank God, because I think that would be super dangerous if she went around talking to people like that. EVEN if that’s just Rhi.

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  5. jayce Avatar
    jayce

    Hi Cory, this is a great theory and makes sense-but the only flaw is that surely to influence dreams, she or the other person have to be asleep? It would be cool but if they were not asleep, it would basically be altering their current subconsciousness to change the outcome of their dreams, as it’s unlikely that the venue will suddenly fall asleep in front of her and that influencing a venins dream would help that much. However I do get that this is not the main point and that it is her own dreams that are the main alteration.

    I think personally that her signet is something to do with wielding distance or time. Time is an easy one, as it was what andarnas gift was, but I feel like it wouldn’t make enough of a plot as she already has been able to stop time. Distance wielding however would make sense. In chapter 56, Violet asks Xaden if he is a distance wielder, and he says,” there hasn’t been one in centuries, and don’t you think if I was one, I would’ve spent every night in your bed”. It may seem like a passing comment, but when has Yarros ever made a ‘passing comment’ in one of her books? Never. Then, in chapter 64, Aaric says, “Damn, sorrengail, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you run so fast!”, and I think that here, violets signet power activated as she needed to reach the ward stone. This is also significant as she needs the power to outrun venin. My final theory on how this signet could be useful is a bit far-fetched and links to the second part of what Xaden says, but here goes.

    Xaden is venin, and violet possibly can wield distances. Obviously, distance wielders can wield massive distances, as Xaden believes he would be able to go from Samara to Basgiath. What if Xaden joins venin as a spy, under the impression that Violet could see him every night so he could give her updates? This could make the storyline very interesting, as Xaden could betray Violet, or Violet could be found, or Xaden could end up loving venin. This is a bit far-fetched and took me way too long to write, so please reply with your thought!!

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      It’s very possible. Many have expressed this as well in the original post Violet’s second signet. At this point, we are blind, aren’t we? We have so many clues but nothing that tells us for sure it’s this or that. With Xaden it was so much easier to realise that he is inntinnsic.

      I think it’s very possible that we need to separate them btw. We need to separate Xaden and Violet. But I think if she were a dream walker or whatever we might call her, it would be easier and safer for them to meet and communicate. But then again, Yarros doesn’t do safe does she?
      Many have suggested that Aaric will be the distance wielder. That could also make a lot of sense.
      BTW, I don’t think your theory is far fetched at all. It does make sense. If Violet is the distance wielder than your theory is bang on!

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  6. Louise Avatar
    Louise

    I just finished iron flame, and these were my exact thoughts about violet’s second signet, dream walker. Before reading, I had unfortunately already been spoiled about the ending. But that meant that while reading, the dreams she had with the venin stood out to me. Thinking it’s Xaden they want, maybe this is her dream. Then remembering her dream with her father in book 1. And even though signets only have to do with the rider, I also thought it was significant that Andarana was in a dreamless sleep most of this time. The abilities of a dream walker are still to be determined. Easily enough she can see peoples dreams, which might include their past, present, and future intentions. Can she manipulate those dreams? Or have conversations within them? I don’t know if we’ve seen evidence of that YET. There then comes the question of the Liam appearance and if that is a part of it. I wish it to be so we can have him back, but that experience seems so different than her other dream moments. I think I need to do a reread now to find other hints. Either way, it would mean she is also a type of inntinnsic. Meaning her and xaden really are the ultimate power couple in terms of dragons and signets

    If this isn’t her signet, I would like it has something to do with seeing the dead or self healing. She was powering through her wounds so much more this book. But neither of those have to do with her need for knowledge

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      First of all, I’m so sorry you already had spoilers all around you. I can imagine how difficult it must have been. GAH!
      And right???? RIGHT? She is def a dream walker of some sort. It just makes sense to me too. I think you are right also about Andarna.
      She was in a dreamless sleep. The fact that is.. “dreamless” should matter to us. I think that was a hint, what a great catch Louise!
      I’m doing a re-read, let me know if you catch something I missed <3

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  7. hayruşş Avatar
    hayruşş

    This theory is quite plausible, but I still have questions: Sgaeyl chose Xaden’s grandfather, then she chose Xaden, and having the same lineage bond with the same dragon either causes madness or provides a 2nd signet. From this perspective, shouldn’t Tairn have bonded with a relative of Violet in order for Violet to have a second signet? I don’t think the dream-sight ability is related to Andarna (Andarna could stop time anyway) in this case, all arrows are directed towards Naolin. I think Naolin’s story is’nt simple and I think it’s one of the key points for the series. He doesn’t feel like someone who was just mentioned and put in the book to be forgotten.

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      Violet would have a second signet because of Andarna. The stopping time was a gift she had once she was a child (feathertail). This means that she does need to have a second signet.
      Naolin was def not related to them. Or so I think…

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  8. Rebecca Avatar
    Rebecca

    This theory seems the most accurate to me especially when she has those two dreams with the Sage. It doesn’t seem like a nightmare but more of a conversation.

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      Right? I’m so curious if this is true. Especially because the author said we needed to figure this out based on one sentence

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  9. karina Avatar
    karina

    hai i just finish iron flame and i think violet second signet is can enter other people’s minds and see from that person’s point of view and can feel what that person is feeling at that time and if this signet is even stronger, maybe Violet can control that person to do what Violet wants them to do, a kind of suggestion in their mind.

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      I re-read Iron Flame a couple of days ago and I can see why you’d think that! But I’m not 100% convinced. Tell me more!

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      1. Emily Avatar
        Emily

        I think Mira will die in a later book. They are always saying that she would hate to be an only child. But there are usually only three sorerengails alive ate a time Brennan came back. Violets mother died. I think violets dad cold possibly come back to life or just faked his death like Brennan. They also may have found the cure or was close to finding the cure for vein, and someone found out and poisoned her mother while pregnant with violet and they couldn’t go any farther. Thats maybe why he was doing research on feather tails. maybe that has something to do with the cure. who knows?

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        1. Cory Avatar
          Cory

          I am not upset about it. I love Violet and want her to be happy, but ultimately, I have no loyalty to her siblings. As long as all the dragons survive, I’m ok…

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          1. Alice Avatar
            Alice

            I really love how Mira loves Violet, It would break my heart to see Mira die, however I wouln’t really care if Brennan dies

          2. Cory Avatar
            Cory

            Ufff… I feel the same way. I don’t know why but Brennan is just not deep in our hearts

    2. anne Avatar
      anne

      THANK YOU! I came here specifically hoping someone would bring this up! I just finished my first read of Iron Flame and this is what is getting to me too: her ability to see other people’s perspective, not JUST in dreams. It happened during battle, yes. But Violet could also “see” what Xaden wanted during the throne scene between them in Chapter 48. During that scene it didn’t seem like it aligned with just “feeling what he feels” intensely through their bond. It was seeing what he wanted to do to her along with how he felt. It stood out as different. She said “I felt how much you need me” but it was more than just his feelings being described.

      And now knowing that Andarna is essentially chameleon-like (for lack of a better word) to reflect what she “wants” to appear as (or needs to, in order to hide), how similar would it be if Violet’s second signet acts like a type of inntinnsic-siphon, where she’s not ‘taking’ powers or memories or reading minds at all times, but can be like a chameleon and “blend into” their perspective?

      Do we know if it was ever mentioned anywhere else that other riders could “see” into battle from their dragon’s view the way Violet could? (I consumed these books way too quickly to recall that at the moment lol.)

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  10. Sarah Avatar
    Sarah

    I think what you described would be too powerful to make a good story combined with her other gifts (kind of a Mary Sue problem). I think her signet is going to be something about learning about the past, which would be kind of a smaller version of what you are talking about. She loves history and learning from the past so being able to commune with the dead makes the most sense to me or getting visions of the past. That also makes an easy story telling method to move the story forward by learning about venin ect. I think its going to be some type of “reading” the past or people’s stories that need to be told, remembered, or found.

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      Reading one way or another would be a fun signet. I can get behind that. I would like if she could just read situations, people etc

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  11. Victoria Avatar
    Victoria

    I stumbled on this article as I just finished Iron Flame and I’m convinced that Violet’s second signet is something to do with dreaming – I’m surprised at so many people saying she’s a distance wielder because I just don’t see it. All those venin dreams simply don’t make sense to me otherwise. And Andarna is a rare and powerful dragon, in fact her and Violet are similar in this regard. The second signet is going to be something even more rare and powerful than the first signet IMO. When she got lightning I was like, oh ok. Yeah it’s powerful but it’s not that unique and she still can’t really control it after two books. But dream walking? That’s pretty badass!

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      I think it would be so cool right? For her to be a dream walker. Or have dream sight or something. It would be just epic!

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  12. Aurelie Avatar
    Aurelie

    I really like this theory about dream vision and I think it could be an interesting second seal for Violet!
    However I wonder about the sentence that says that feathertails are unstable in nature. We saw in IF that andarna changed color often, like a chameleon. Is it possible that violet’s second power is versatile? Is changing all the time depending on Violet’s need ?
    Also Andarna is still young, maybe the signet is not stabilized until she become an adult.
    Sorry for my bad english ☺️

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      That would be sooooo cool. But then again 🙁 RY said that her second signet is underwhelming and now I worry that we will all be disappointed.

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  13. Serah Avatar
    Serah

    Just finished Iron Flame (yes, late to the party) and I honestly believe the dream-sight or dream-walking has more to do with the bond than her second signet. I’d posit that it’s simply a matter of Xaden being unable to maintain his shields while sleeping and Violet getting the blowback of the Sage’s sending through their bond. Tairn has at least tangentially admitted that his bond with Sgaeyl will strengthen and change over time by admitting to the strength of the bond between Greim and Maise. I think the incident in the throne room and the dream walk are a reflection of that maturation between Violet and Xaden.

    As for Violet’s second signet? Well. If they’re tied to what she needs. In the beginning she “needs” power to compensate for her perceived weakness. Given the state of things at the end of Iron Flame, what she needs (has always needed at her core) is information. About Basgiath, about the marked ones, Xaden, the wards. She’s going to need all the information about venin, their origins, how their power works, why drawing from the land inevitably corrupts them, in the next book, I’d think. She will be focused on fixing this for Xaden, regardless of what Barlowe says is possible. It could be treated as an inntinnsic variant, I suppose, or could manifest in something as simple as being able to make the logical leaps no one else can given enough data – sort of like the Mentats from Dune – or being able to read any language, or consume the contents of a volume by touch.

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    1. Cory Avatar
      Cory

      Welcome to the party! You are right on time. I envy everyone who reads the books later because it means less time to wait for Onyx Storm 😀
      I think she is a truth sayer…What do you think? It’s a rtype of inntinnsic…

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