Wild theory about Violet’s second signet: She might be able to talk to the dead after all

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Wild theory about Violet's second signet: She might be able to talk to the dead after all

We’ve all been reading and re-reading Iron Flame for the past few months in an attempt to really figure out Violet’s second signet. We’ve discussed so many theories already. Violet’s second signet could be dream walker right, given the dreams she somewhat shares with Xaden and the venin.

It could be that she has super powerful shields, or she is our special distance wielder. We even have theories about the idea that she might be a storm wielder like her mother, Lilith. One of the most popular has been the idea that she is the control Xaden needs now that he’s venin or even the fact that she can defy gravity.

All of them are very fun, but one of them needs to be discussed asap: her ability to speak to the dead. Interestingly enough, this theory gets dismissed all the time and for good reason. But after reading Iron Flame again, I think I might have caught something that makes me believe…Violet might just about be able to actually talk to the dead. And buckle up because you really are in for a mega ride with this one.

Why would Violet need to talk to the dead?

Well, for one, she was trained all her live to be a scribe. Scribes thrive on history and at the end of Fourth Wing she’s found out that the history she knows, is not quite the right history.

She’s been reading the wrong books all her life, and she needs to start reading the right ones. Only one problem: the real history, has been erased and re-written. At least in Navarre.

Being able to talk to the dead would help her learn the truth right from the source. Who better to tell her everything but the dead, right?

She could also talk to her mom, her dad and…Liam, among others.

How could Violet talk to the dead?

Violet’s second signet could be the ability to talk to the dead. We all know that Liam was her hallucination. But how was that possible? Let’s revisit their conversation a little bit.

“Sleep if you can.” The suggestion is soft, the voice so achingly familiar that I squeeze my undamaged eye shut.

You’re not really here. You’re a hallucination from pain and dehydration. A mirage.

“Maybe,” Liam says, and I open my eye just enough to see him sit on the floor beside me. He pulls his knees up, resting his elbow on the side of the bunk just beneath my fractured arm. “Or maybe Malek sent me as a kindness.”

Malek doesn’t do kindness. Nor does he allow souls to wander about.

Kudos to my brain; he’s an excellent hallucination. He looks exactly as he had the last time I saw him, dressed in flight leathers and wearing a smile that makes my heart ache.

“I’m not wandering, Violet. I’m exactly where I need to be.”

Liam is not wondering…he is exactly where he needs to be…with Violet. And it was Violet who summoned him.

Alright. Let’s discuss…how can Violet use her signet. Wasn’t she a prisoner? I’m so glad you asked…

Andarna might be immune to the serum (yes, really)

It sounds insane, right? But our Andarna is pretty special. Take a moment to read this again: Andarna might actually be immune to the serum. Yes, that serum. The one that disconnects dragons from their riders. The serum that makes venin stay in control.

Andarna can kill venin. Her fire burns them too. Andarna is old. Andarna is a 7th breed we know nothing about. And quite clearly, Andarna has some seriously good precognition skills.

In no way, shape or form, did Rebecca Yarros imply that Violet cannot reach Andarna while under the influence of the serum. Here is the evidence.

“Do you know where—” I start to say toward Tairn, but the usually crystal-clear connection is muffled, like someone has thrown a blanket over it. Panic clenches my heart as I realize the same is true for Andarna, though I don’t risk waking her with questions. “I can’t reach Tairn.”

I read this paragraph a million times. The same is true for Andarna, though she doesn’t risk waking her. Which, to me, might just mean that she didn’t check her connection to Andarna.

But here is where it gets really weird. When Violet is taken prisoner, she realises she’s under the influence of the serum. The one Nolon (ugh, Nolon!) slipped in her drink.

And what does she say?

“Terror expands the pressure in my throat. I can’t reach Tairn or Xaden. Can’t call on my signet or even my knife skills, since my hands are bound.”

What of Andarna? She never specifically told us that she cannot reach Andarna. She cannot reach Tairn or Xaden. But not Andarna. Maybe she can reach Andarna.

She didn’t say “I can’t reach my dragons”.

But the author does use a clever sentence… “The blanket thrown over my dragon bonds lifts, and power rushes through my veins. I feel like me again.”

Hmmm….

So can Violet speak to the dead?

Maybe. I know this theory stands on one leg, but I really wanted to share my findings. It could be that RY specifically omitted Andarna from this to confuse us. Or it could be that Violet hasn’t realised this yet, but Andarna is immune to the serum; thus Violet can access her second signet at all times.

Would it be useful for Violet to speak to the dead? Oh, gosh yes. It would also mean that we would continue to get Liam for the rest of the books, which, let’s face it, it’s precisely what we want.

Besides, who doesn’t want to actually have a conversation with the dad, and understand more about Lilith? And not just through books.

What if Malek did send Liam back?

That’s always a chance that Malek did send Liam as a kindness. I already have a theory that those who do not burn for Malek, get their loved ones back. Again, it’s a bit of a crazy theory but it’s always fun to go down the rabbit hole.

So what are your thoughts?Do you think Violet can talk to the dead?

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23 responses to “Wild theory about Violet’s second signet: She might be able to talk to the dead after all”

  1. hmmm, but we already know that the serum only blocks one way. Tairn said after the RSC camping trip that he could hear her but she could not reply. I’m inclined to think Liam protectively connected his soul to hers via a rune, I read a theory about the possibility he might have put runes into his dragon wood carvings. Or maybe multiple runes to tether his soul to all of his friends, so he could keep an eye on Sloane, Malec might not have him at all. We might also just be desperate to keep Liam alive for a little bit longer.

    1. Yes! I do think he put runes in all the carvings!

  2. I love it. I keep gaslighting myself that Liam is not dead and I just want him back.

  3. “Can you sense anything off?” I ask as the walls of the Riders Quadrant come into view. Only half the windows in the dormitory are lit from within. An ache settles in my chest. No matter what cruelty transpired here, there’s an enormous part of me that considers this place home.”

    Can she sense runes? Could this be her second signet?

    1. That would be interesting. But I feel like she would have been better at tracking them during the exercise (when Solas attacked them).

      1. she did chose the right path when they encountered Solas in the caves… maybe she needs to work on it? I don’t know, this would def be an underwhelming second signet 🤣

        So true. Like (among many other things) she knows where her father’s research is why hasn’t she run over and read it???

        1. WHY Sole? Why? I would have read everything, like immediately!

          1. lol I know. Same!!!

  4. The speed with which she processes information and compartmentalizes her feelings is such an advantage, and I doubt she even knows it

    – or maybe something along this? She figures things out faster than Brennan who’s supposed to be great at strategy

    1. She is fantastic at processing information but it shocks me to the core that she just…stores it away. She doesn’t immediately act!

  5. There has got to be some connection with Liam and Andarna. Liam said “I am right where I need to be”. How many times has Andarna said this to Violet? Maybe Andarna can transform into whatever Violet needs as protection? Maybe that’s why she had to sleep so long when Xaden rescued Violet!

    1. I think she can sense special things. I think she is very very special!

  6. HEYYYYY CORY,

    I am back and i’ve got MANY hours listening to those two books over and over again…. so…. this got me thinking:
    Why is there so much about smelling things especally for Vi….
    I mean ITS EVERYWHERE … but some other parts like the Liam thing got me thinking…. what if here signet OR something else has to do with Malek… like… didn’t Yarros say at one Point that her inspiration is Armentrout? Like In Blood and Ash… the Gods and halfgods and stuff are people you could! touch (not that you should buuuut xD)
    So this got me thinking…. Xaden is a shadow wielder and Mental…. (how do you call it in english? ) thingie. So… like he is death…. and violet COULD be life… … But maybe thats a bit over and i am imagine things. But maybe shes just a great great great (dunno how many) granddaughter of Malek and she just got some special things from him….

    Another thing I was thinking about… WHAT if Dain was actually a forbidden signet mental guy like Xaden but they SOMEHOW limited his power with runes or potions to touch only and only memories. Bc he is the son of the bigger Aetos….

    And one more thing…. Yarros alsways puts details like something unsignificant in her books BUT could be important … like WHY did a massive boulder fall down at the gauntlet… like… this thing came down with no reason but it was mentioned… (other deatils like red rendered eyes BEFORE we even knew more baout the venin)
    So this got me thinking…. what if the boulder came down bc of a VERY curious golden dragon who was SOMEHOW invisible… Bc andarna says EVERYTIME in the first book she woud be there were “she was needed” so WHAT IF she could be invisible the whole time but never revealed it to Vi to not cause more chaos…. bc Vi was the whole like bounding thing out…

    so… i am HYPED to the new book that comes IN TWO DAYS AHHHHHHHHHHH and i am listening to that asap xD

    1. Heeeey! So good to hear from you. I’m SO excited about the new book.
      Let me tell you, I read over and over again and I think her signer is mental compelling.
      I think – “Loosen your grip on his throat,” I say calmly. “He can’t answer questions if he’s dead.”
      Two lines appear between Xaden’s dark brows, and his grip eases. – this is the sentence we’ve been looking for all this time.

      Right, I didn’t know Yarros said that about Armentrout? Are you sure? Really? That’s really exciting. There are gods then!
      I do think she is related to Malek somehow.
      I think Xaden is the dark and she is the light for sure.

      Erm…I like your thoughts on Dain but I’m not sold on that. I think there are just many types of inntinnsics and Dain is a type. Same as truth sayers.
      Wait, you think the boulder is Andarna? Oh…interesting, interesting!

      What do you expect most from Onyx Storm?

      1. I didn’t mean that the boulder was Andarna but MAYBE SHE accdidently missstepped or something and took the boulder down… maybe she was like whoops 😮

        And Didn’t u say in some earlier theories that her second signet MAY be not THAT impressive as her first?

        And about the gods: When Vi asked Tairn about the Gods he said something like ” Nah they are nothing compared to us we don’t bow to them” (dunno how he said it exactly but something like that) However in the Blood and Ash series Dargons or the shapeshifter form Draken are VERY powerful beings…. soooo dunno… xD

        And I HOPE in the Onyx series they won’t loose some chars like one of our promised four…. and I HOPE none of the theories about Imogen will be correct ;-; (like the orange dragon one) and tbh I kinda want to have for Jesinia her own dragon xD like she would be the first scribe to have one xD

          1. I AM ON IT WHY??? I am listening to it and holy…. FOUR perspectives?????? (but i dunno yet the 2 others…. I mean in the audiobook there are Vi and Xaden… but TWO additional female readers 😮

          2. I won’t spoil. Her second signet….I just want your thoughts. When you finish. Take your time. I will give you a tiny clue with 0 spoilers: I do have a theory about it. It was so wild, that nobody believed me. It was my least popular signet post and basically the fans burried it 🙂
            enjoy the POVs 😛

  7. WOAH U are Awake and active AHHHHHHHHH 😮

    I AM ON IT ( i need to listen more and more AND MORE AHHH ) After ur hint i was searching all of the second signet theories xD Buuuut I guess i have to wait until the reveal ;-;

    I will definetly share my thoughts when i am finished BUT it will take some time xd bc the audiobook is like almost 30h of listening 😅

    1. Haha no rush! I took the time off work to be able to read it all in one day

      1. IN ONE DAY???? Holy shieeee xDDDD
        I am in the audiobook at the part when they are doing things with…. AH can’t write it here…. is there a posibility to write u without spoiling the others? ;-;

        1. I am. I am having a read along section on the blog where I discuss each chapter without spoiling the rest. I am waiting about a week and then I can start with theories full on, so I give everyone a chance to catch up.https://www.empyreanriders.com/onyx-storm-read-along/

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