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Iron Flame Theory: Does Violet have venin in her? Or is she immune to venin?

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Iron Flame theory: is Violet immune to venin?

Please proceed with caution as there are some serious spoilers ahead. We’ve all been toying with this idea that Violet is part venin, or immune to venin somehow. Since this is coming up in the comments section a lot, I decided to try and make sense of it by writing my theory.

I will talk about her hair, her brittle bones and of course, her mother, Lilith. There is actually quite a lot that suggests Violet has somehow been drained by venin before, one way or another.

Alright, let’s get started and see where we’re at first.

Lilith’s pregnancy

“Pale skin, pale eyes, pale hair.” Her gaze siphons every ounce of my confidence down to the marrow in my bones. It’s like that fever stole all your coloring along with your strength.

[…]

“It’s not the first time I’ve heard her curse the sickness that nearly killed her while she was pregnant with.”

The above is in Fourth Wing chapter 1, if you want to go back and re-read it. So it was during Lilith’s pregnancy that “the fever” affected Violet. As Lilith herself spelled it out for us, the fever stole the coloring and her strength.

Violet’s fragility

We know all about it and I’m sure you don’t me to quote it. It’s when she needs to wrap her knees, how her bones snap so fast, how she’s not built like the rest of them. But what does this have to do with venin? I’m so glad you asked.

The Barrens

Let’s turn to the barrens and look at what happened there. We know that venin live there, and they drained the magic from the land. The land is now well, a barren. A desert, devoid of life and color according to Violet.

Interesting…now let’s look at Violet’s hair. Violet’s hair is like this “the brown strands start to lose their warmth of color and slowly fade to a steely, metallic silver“. She even tells us that no matter the length, this always happens, her hair always has those tips.

Violet has been drained…but how?

Her brittle bones and hair condition do tell me that Violet has been drained by venin. But how and when? There are a few ideas we can turn to here.

Lilith drained her

Her mother was venin but still wanted to protect her children at all cost. It’s not an unlikely scenario if you think about it. Lilith did talk to no other than Nolon. Do you remember? The missive at the end of Iron Flame? Sent to Nolon when he had lower military rank? I think it was all to do with her, being turned venin. Ok, so what does this mean?

Again, two scenarios here. Either Lilith turned venin at some point, and during pregnancy she accidentally drained Violet. OR Lilith was attacked during pregnancy and near death, she reached, to save herself and her child, turned venin and drained some of the strength from Violet.

Another venin drained her

Another option is that Lilith was attacked while pregnant. The venin tried to drain her but drained the baby first, giving Lilith time to reach, turn venin and defeat the attacker.

Is Violet immune?

I think so. I think Violet is immune, and there are a couple of explanations for it. I’m not sure where Rebecca Yarros is going with it, but I’m certain Violet cannot be drained further.

In Iron Flame, we learn about something vital. Crucial, information really:

“You quarried the stones from east of the Dunness River, the land that borders the Barrens. It had already been drained of its magic”.

This clearly means that once drained, venin cannot touch it again. It’s “immune” to them.

What is Violet most afraid of? Losing the ones she loves. She has nightmares about Resson how Soleil and Fuil were drained in an instant. She starts running to avoid this fate herself. She has nightmares about Tairn being caught surprised. She runs…

But what Violet doesn’t know yet, is that she cannot be drained further. She’s already suffered that fate once.

Is Violet venin then?

Not really. I think she’s immune to venin, but she doesn’t have venin in her. It’s not a virus or an illness. At least that’s not how it appears to be. It looks like you can “catch it” or transfer it. Which makes it believe that Violet didn’t get “a bit of venin” while Lilith was pregnant with her. She was simply drained, which gave her something greater: immunity.

People turn venin for power, right? Or in Xaden’s case…for love. So Violet really is the best weapon against venin as she can face them without the same fears.She just doesn’t know it YET.

I’m going to leave you with something else here. Which is on repeat in my mind and can’t quite make sense of it for now.

Fourth Wing Chapter 37, Page 475

“But it was the third brother, who commanded the sky to surrender its greatest power[..].”

Fourth Wing Chapter 37, Page 476

“[…]You could command the sky to surrender all its power, and I bet you don’t know what to do with it, do you?”

Is Violet…the third brother? She is technically the third sibling, is she not? Hmmm…food for thought, food for thought.

I cannot wait to hear what you think about Violet being immune to venin? Am I on the right track do you reckon? Let me know in the comments section below!

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16 responses to “Iron Flame Theory: Does Violet have venin in her? Or is she immune to venin?”

  1. I think Violet’s “fragility” is due to her having Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, the same medical condition that Rebecca Yarros herself has.

    1. Yes, but in the book, there is a reason why she has this. RY herself said that her hair is the way it is for a reason.

  2. I agree with you and also I am wondering about the comment about the three brothers. I thought I remembered them being three kings/brothers and the third brother killed the other two and took the power. I was wondering if he was the first venin, perhaps he took the power from an iridescent feather tail like andarna.

    1. Exactly! I feel that the comment with the three brothers is suuuuuuper important.
      Also, Alie! OMG I haven’t considered that one of the brothers has stolen power from the seventh breed. That would be a good twist.

  3. Hiiii^^/ its me again xD

    So where to start… i am currently listening to Book 2 for the… (I honestly lost count xD) time … and one thought bugs me the whole time… WHAT if… she doesn’t have Venin stuff in her DNA… but… Nah I’ll explain first… (and behold… its gettin very… wild and my… thoughts fit somehow in this theory)

    So we know now, thx to book 2 that there is a 7th species of dragons… And especially Andarna is able to… shapeshift? (hence the tail… like morningstar tail after her first change and then the scorpion thingy tail later against Solas) AND we know that these dragons.. vanished… somehow… (maybe all dead or whatever) and Andarna is technically older than some of the elders… (what was it… like 600 years in that egg?) So.. what if… some of these dragons became THAT close to their humans. that they somehow managed to shapeshift into some… and… well.. did things… yk xD so…

    so my thought was… what IF Vi doesn’t have some gods blood or venin blood in herself…. but maybe dragonsblood… because what bugged me this whole time was that first day with the new rookies… when Solas burned down many people… she got F ing Lavaon her back…. Dragonscales MAY be fireproof AND heatresistant… but to my knowledge they don’t shield from heat… and molten lava has temperatures like 700 – 1200°c Like HOT… and she got only what… a slight Burnmark like a bad sunburn? Don’t get me wrong MAYBE the scales in this universe shield some heat but… this kinda bugged me…. and theres another thing… Dragons seem to… respect her? like she spoke to many of them directly… (threshing… the presentation… whilest battle etc…and maybe the two green dragons didn’t just sniffed her becaise of her vest…… ) And come to think about it… Violets hair is white/silver on the end. not on the beginning… so what got me thinking was… what if the dragonsblood caused her Body to… yk age TOO fast… like… think about it what Teirn said about Andarna… she was forced to grow fast… because too much energy use…. (ahhh my thoughts are spinning but… ahhh) but I think u get what i am tying to say…

    I know that there is the thing why Mira and Brennan don’t have these kinda things but I know we discussed IF they are even blood related siblings…

    whoo… a LOT of text… and i hope that u all can understand what my brain is braining about xD

    1. Hi Kuro, welcome back.
      Alright, first of all wild theory and LOVE it.
      A few issues I will address tho, so let’s start there.
      1. Andarna didn’t have a morningstar tail.

      ““If there’s a morningstartail on her—”
      “Tails are a matter of choice and need.” He huffs indignantly. “Don’t they teach you anything?”

      Her tail went to becoming scorpiontail during the attack only. Am I missing something?

      She is older because she managed to stay put in her egg. She knows things others don’t. That’s clear and that’s 1000% right.

      Let’s address Violet and her potential dragonblood. I do think dragons have to respect her because of who she is. Could be that she is related to dragons somehow. But I doubt it.
      She survived because of her cool dragonscale vest from Mira. At least that’s what I thought. Again, I need to go back and read the chapter again to be sure.
      Don’t get me wrong, I love the theory and would LOVE for Violet to have dragonblood in her somehow. It would be this very epic. But I’m not finding enough evidence yet. Hmmm….

      I do fully understand where you are going with this. That would change the direction of the story A LOT!
      The only thing is that Violet tells Tairn “your species is not exactly open”. They are an entirely different species, they are not even remotely human.

      I’m curious what else you’ll discover moving forward. Also, is the audiobook cool to listen to?

      1. Heyyyy xD

        Its the german audiobook and YES the woman who reads these books does a VERY epic job. (thats maybe why I didn`t notice Baides gender change xD maybe they noticed during translation) So about the tail… (I’m gonna listen to that part again… maybe the translation got something wrong xD I just looked in the original and… Yep it says what u said…) BUT it is still a mystery wthat happened to the 7th species… and as far as we know at least Andarna is able to change her appearance. AND she was… left behind? for some reason we don’t know…

        And Yes dragons are … not very talkactive… BUT what if the 7th species was… and the Empyrean whas NOT happy…

        So whatever Yarros has in her pocket for Onyx Storm… I AM THRILLED and yes I’ll loook forward for more theories… more things to discover and…. I also will look for more … scales xD that somehow fit into this dragon theory (tbh it was a little spark of… WHAT if… and i just collected some fitting pieces…and some how they made some sense yk…)

        (And its only me who noticed that the titles of the book KINDA summarize the Plot? Or at least whats the main goal is? Fourth wing…. Violet gets into the Fourth wing…. iron flame: the wardstone is about to be covered in an Iron flame… )

        1. The titles of the book def summarize the book, I agree. Please please share your theories here. I LOVE hearing them. Well, reading them in this case 😀
          I tried to listen to the book in English, but I didn’t connect with the voice. However, there are times I wish I could just plug in and listen…it sounds like being read a beautiful story

        2. P.S. you are right. I have no idea why Andarna was left behind. but if you pay close attention, you can see that there are dragons beyond the continent. So I bet Andarna’s fam is there. Tairn even referred to Codagh as the biggest on the continent? Or something like that? There are MORE dragons beyond the continent, on the isles. I BET!

          1. I just looked up the english audiobook and… holy… i TOTALLY understand why u couldn’t connect with her voice… the german version is just calmer? softer… but in tense situations just perfect and the xaden chapters in each book… the male voice is one of my most favourite reading voices. so yes I love this page and will definetly share more of my thougts

          2. haha I’m glad you checked it. It really wasn’t my jam 😛

  4. I have said for a long time now that the comment about the three brother is absolutely important. That being said, I also think that Brennan’s statement about searching for the weapon that killed off the Venin in the Great War is equally important. Either Violet may be that weapon or she can summon that weapon.

    I had not thought of Violet in relation to this particular venin theory in this manner. This opens up a ton of new questions for me.

    1. Right? I have so many questions and I cannot wait to find out the answers as we go along!

  5. I agree and have to add to this that it keeps being said that there is only one known way to kill vein, the alloy hilted daggers. Yet violet can kill them with her signet, and her signet is drawn to the runes in wyvern.

  6. If Vi is inmune ( because she was drained before), is Dain the same case (drained by Jack)?

    1. I don’t think so. I think there are different. I think it has to do with the idea that maybe Lilith was venin and Violet was in her womb. Or something similar. Or Lilith was attacked and turned when pregnant, which again would be different.

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