Just finished Iron flame

  • Just finished Iron flame

    Posted by Dunnne on January 9, 2024 at 4:35 pm

    Ok, so I need to talk…

    1- Something that is really playing with my head is Sgaeyl actitud towards violet in the end of the book. What does it mean be careful with your words? Is she worried that Xaden might get hurt with violets reaction. I’m dying here. These words mean that she still cares about Xaden so does the fact that she is like guarding him but she shout him down.

    2- Brennan doesn’t even flinch at the mention of his father. Why is that? Even when Mira blames him for his hart attack he doesn’t say a thing, he doesn’t apology, he doesn’t ask anything… Anyway I really think that we will discover more about Violet fathers and that he will be the clue to saving Xaden.

    I’m so scared that we are going to lose Xaden. I swear I can’t take it. It really bothers me that he took the power and Sgayels reaction??

    Please I need someone to asnwer me I just finish the book and I don’t know anyone who read it, I need to tal about it. And one question I still don’t understand Violets hair, it is because of her illnes? I know that her mother almost died while she was pregnant with her but I need to know what caused tha color of the hair to change. Please.

    😭😭

    Dunnne replied 3 months, 1 week ago 2 Members · 15 Replies
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  • Cory

    Organizer
    January 9, 2024 at 5:46 pm

    Let’s discuss. Also, the book hangover is heavy isn’t it?

    1- I think it’s because venin might have some sort of hive mind? And she is worried that venin would get the information? Or indeed, if we’re romantic about it, it’s just because Sgaeyl thinks Xaden might get hurt if Violet starts to panic or react in a negative way.

    2- Yeah…I don’t think Brennan is as good as we think he is. And that rune on his hand? Scary! The fact that he’s eating those sweet biscuits? Hmmm..scary. I don’t know. I feel he has a lot of bad stuff to hide.

    I don’t think we are going to lose Xaden. I mean we probably will temporarily. Whether he needs to go be with the venin, or we kill him temporarily or something. But I don’t think we will actually kill him for good.

    As for Violet’s hair, yes the theory is that it’s because of her mother’s fever. It’s a very good chance that Violet was drained by venin while in Lilith’s womb. Her silver hair is the same as the grey when venin drains. Like Dain’s hand. The Barrens, the land in Resson etc.

    Any other questions, ask away 😀 happy to have you here!

    • Dunnne

      Member
      January 9, 2024 at 6:06 pm

      Thank you, the hangover is too much😭

      I will be rereading because I feel that there are parts that I let slide. I don’t remeber anything about the rune of the biscuits, can you explain?

      Also, do we think that violets signet is something related to death? because Liam felt too real. And if her signet is something like that I think that Xanden might die and that Violet will bring him to live dying or something. Like I’m so heartborken right know.

      • Cory

        Organizer
        January 9, 2024 at 7:03 pm

        Tha hangover was too much for me too…I really do get it.

        For sure, so Brennan has a rune on his hand. We don’t know anything about it. It was just a detail the author added for us.

        As for the biscuits, they taste sweet, similar to the elixir/antidote given to the riders. Of course, biscuits can be sweet right? I mean they always are. But with this author, the devil is always in the detail.

        Here is my comprehensive analysis: https://www.empyreanriders.com/articles/iron-flame-theory-the-elixir-developed-by-the-leadership-is-not-new/

        Also read the comments if you have time, they are very insighful.

      • Cory

        Organizer
        January 9, 2024 at 7:06 pm

        I also have theories about Violet’s signet and why Liam was there.

        I think Violet’s signet will have to do with healing (mending souls) or amplifying signets for others.
        https://www.empyreanriders.com/articles/iron-flame-theory-violets-second-signet/
        The comment section is huuuuuuge!

        As for Liam, I think we need to take verbatim: “Maybe Malek sent me as a kindness”
        There is a theory about the fact that Violet might be a God.

        https://www.empyreanriders.com/articles/iron-flame-theory-violet-and-xaden-are-gods/
        This would explain again, why Malek is doing her a favour by sending her Liam. Because well, Violet is upset that Malek took Liam away.

        I initially thought she can talk to the dead. I do not anymore! I think Liam was actually there… 🙂

        • Dunnne

          Member
          January 9, 2024 at 7:20 pm

          Related to this. When Violet was poisioned her blood turned black and SHE COULDN’T CONNECT to Train or Andarna.

          • Cory

            Organizer
            January 9, 2024 at 8:01 pm

            That’s right! The same as the elixir given to them…There is a connection there!

        • Dunnne

          Member
          January 9, 2024 at 7:34 pm

          I think the amplifying signet comes from Train not andarna. Felix tells Violet when they are training that she holds power and manifestes it in the form of lighting because is where she feels more confident. But I feel like her signet is to create power just like Felix said that would make scense as why other turned out to be stronger around her. I can’t find the page right know.

          • Cory

            Organizer
            January 9, 2024 at 8:01 pm

            I remember, I remember. Interesting. It’s possible you see. In which case, then probably something to do with control or soul mending in my opinion

    • Dunnne

      Member
      January 9, 2024 at 6:08 pm

      Also I don’t think that Sgaeyl says that because of being scared that Xanden might say information to the venim because Xanden can read intentions and basically the mind so if that were the case then she would hace said something to violet about rising her shields. Don’t you think? I don’t know

      😭

      • Cory

        Organizer
        January 9, 2024 at 7:07 pm

        I think it’s a nicer way to imagine that Sgaeyl is suffering. She just wanted kindness for herself and for her rider. The same as, Andarna was kind and said to her “Xaden needs you”. I think they all kinda knew what happened and were just telling Violet to take it easy. At least that’s how I wanted to interpret it.

        • Dunnne

          Member
          January 9, 2024 at 7:22 pm

          Yeah me too, because I can not comprehend if Sgaeyl brokes the bond. I really think that we need more of Sgaeyl and Violet in the third book.

          • Cory

            Organizer
            January 9, 2024 at 8:00 pm

            No no no! Sgaeyl did not break the bond, don’t worry. He can still wield shadows, if you remember! In the last chapter, he is still surrounded by shadows and Sgaeyl is just eerily quiet. I believe she is shielding from him but that’s it!

            • Dunnne

              Member
              January 9, 2024 at 8:19 pm

              Yeah I’m grateful for that. I just came up with something else. Nolon is giving the antidote to jack to stop him from becoming a venim. That is the same antidote that makes the riders lose the connection with their dragons. So what if Xaden needs to take the antidote to not become a venim too even though he won’t be able to talk to Sgaeyl or violet or use his signet. I feel like if this happens he will feel alone and useless and that he will then draw more power.

              • Cory

                Organizer
                January 9, 2024 at 8:21 pm

                I am not certain the antidote keeps them from becoming venin. But I think they use it to break the bond between venin or maybe to even indeed become ‘more venin’.

                Xaden will have to take it which indeed will mean that he won’t be able to have access to his signets and Violet the same way. Sucks but it’s the reality…

                • Dunnne

                  Member
                  January 9, 2024 at 8:26 pm

                  Everything is so tangle up😭 I don’t know either what does the elixir do but I also think that the elixir comes from the venom or the antidote so I don’t know if it’s going to do more harm than good.

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