Do you still like Xaden?

  • Do you still like Xaden?

    Posted by Cory on January 2, 2024 at 5:56 pm

    I’d like to hear your thoughts on Xaden after reading “Iron Flame”. Were there aspects you didn’t enjoy? For instance, I was somewhat disappointed that he’s still withholding secrets from Violet. While I get that he’s young, I had hoped he would be more open with her.

    Also, I think I would have preferred if he had been more resistant to his ex-fiancée joining them in Aretia.

    Despite it all, I still like Xaden a lot. I mean, that throne scene, right? 😀

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  • dmajnik

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    January 2, 2024 at 8:15 pm

    I kinda dont even know what to think of him because I hate him for becoming venin, but at the same time he expressed his love to Violet, but not in a very romantic way. So in spite of the people that say to give him a break I can’t because what he did even if it was for Violet is unacceptable and if i was Sgaeyl idk i would just kill him hah.

  • Cory

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    January 2, 2024 at 8:29 pm

    Haha! I love the honesty.

    I don’t think we can kill Xaden (I mean I think we will but we will revive the guy). I reckon if Rebecca Yarros does really kill him there will be a riot!

    I think Iron Flame shows us some serious red flags for Xaden.

    I like him still but I also find it unacceptable that he became venin. Poor Sgaeyl.

  • dmajnik

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    January 2, 2024 at 8:38 pm

    oh I haven’t even thought about killing Xaden fr but now that I think of it I think it will happen. Of course he will rise from the dead but i think that Violet is going to somehow survive as well as all three dragons (or just Sgaeyl dies) and will start to research how to revive him. I also think a lot about the teory that Violets dad is General venin so I think her dad will be mentioned a lot in the next books because he still lives?

    but as for xaden i really want to know whats going to happen with his bond to Sgaeyl, like is she or he gonna break it?? But I also think that maybe Violet will start dating maybe someone new because Xaden will turn full on venin but as he said they are endgame so after all they will end up together( i sure hope so😭)

    ther will be a lot of drama in the next books so cant wait!! xoxo💋

    • Sarajean_xO

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      January 2, 2024 at 9:15 pm

      Hey, I was so interested in the theory about Violets Dad being General Venin when I first read it but I saw an interview with RY (bookclub with EW) where she said no to this, it’s about 27-28 mins in during the “Theory Threshing” section.. All worth a watch! Side note: I’m still so obsessed with Xaden and am hoping so bad that she doesn’t kill him but from that interview too it doesn’t seem like she’d have a problem killing off loved characters! 😣 https://youtu.be/S_Lm56IVaNw?feature=shared&t=1655

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  • Cory

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    January 2, 2024 at 8:44 pm

    Please! Omg, nooo! There is no way we kill Sgaeyl, right? Can you imagine the pain and devastation?

    Tairn would never survive his mate dying 😭 I can’t even think about it.

    But I have a theory btw. I think Tairn broke the bond with Naolin because at some point Naolin actually became venin when saving Brenan. And I think Sgaeyl will not want to break her bond with Xaden because she’s ‘weaker’ than Tairn.

    But I think Tairn might try to kill Xaden somehow because he won’t accept Xaden controlling Sgaeyl and potentially hurting his rider too!

    I think it’s going to be a crazy drama mess!

    • amandarna

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      January 4, 2024 at 2:19 am

      I don’t even want to go down this line of thought but yesterday my mom and I were discussing the book and my mom says “Well, we already know Tairn is going to die, why else would she bond two dragons” 😑 granted she has finished Iron Flame yet but “Nooooo… Mother…. You did NOT just say that to me”

      • Cory

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        January 4, 2024 at 10:13 am

        Excuse me WHAT???? This is horrible. OMG I cannot breathe…HORRIBLE. No.

        Did you know that Rebecca Yarros created Tairn based on her dog? There is no way she would kill Tairn. That’s like killing the dog. I refuse…

        • Dunnne

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          January 9, 2024 at 5:14 pm

          Her dog is actually dead so… I think that Train is going to be killed and I think that maybe is Xaden who kills him? Just a whild theory. I think that Train is going to be dead and then Violet and Sgaeyl will fight together to save Xaden. Something like that. One of the dragons has to die and if Sgaeyl dies everything gets too broken I think. Plus, I don’t think Train can handle Sgaeyls death. What do you think?

          -In another matter that you discussed I would also have liked Xaden shutting Cat of. Like I like the chair chapter but I would like for him to be a little more direct and say something to Cat. She crossed the lin ein the sparring matt saying THOSE things to Violet.

          • Cory

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            January 9, 2024 at 5:41 pm

            I agree with you, I would have liked Xaden to take a better stance. I know he seemed angry and whatever towards her but IMO not enough.

            Like, he’s dropping dead wyvern at Melgren’s doorstep but just says “enough” when it comes to Cat? And I get it that she is a woman and Xaden should treat her with respect and not be violet towards her. Absolutely not! But I wanted him to be a bit more assertive in protecting Violet from her.

            P.S. what do you mean her dog is dead? It’s London…he was very much alive and well in November 2023 https://www.instagram.com/rebeccayarros/p/CzePWWPBr1V/

            • Dunnne

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              January 9, 2024 at 6:17 pm

              I needed Xaden to say declare his love for violet to Cat or something. Like for a moment I felt like Violet could be one more of his girlfriends to Cat’s eyes. You know what I mean? I needed Xaden to say something so that it’s clear that Violet is the love of her life or something more special.

              Rebecca in an interview says that Train is based of her old english bulldog, and she sais in that interview that he had died before the realese of the book. So it makes sense for Train to die, I feel like out of all the dragons he is the one that makes more sense because I feel like Sgaeyl will have a very important rol in the next book.

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              • Cory

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                January 9, 2024 at 6:58 pm

                Oh no. OH NOOOOO. This breaks my heart. But yes, I see it now. I think you might be right 🙁 Which indeed would explain why she’s bonded to two dragons. This is making me a little bit sick. Is it weird of me that I’d trade Xaden for Tairn?

              • Sarajean_xO

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                January 11, 2024 at 9:08 am

                Completely agree, I wanted Xaden to speak up more to Cat about how Violet is end game for him. I know one of their things is like he knows Violet can handle herself and everything but still.. Then I suppose he did do that kiss in the ballroom at the dinner! I wanted more of a reaction when Cat was coming to live with them or even an understanding as to why it’s uncomfortable for Violet in the beginning.. I suppose he made up for it ith the throne scene though! Even though that was obviously a private thing between them rather than declaration in front of Cat. But it gave Violet the confidence to be more like that’s my Man when she saw Cat again so maybe he actually just knows what’s best, that it was better to give the reassurance and declaration to Violet so she’s more confident and handles Cat better than for him to deal with Cat which he know Cat would probably see as Violet needing Xaden to fight her battles for her. So now that I’m writing all of this maybe I didn’t need more from him. Ugh, I dunno, the things this man does to my brain 🙈 Even when I think he’s done wrong I talk myself out of it haha

                • Cory

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                  January 11, 2024 at 9:18 am

                  I am having these really wild theories about how we will have Cat involved in their relationship. She is excellent with runes right? Brennan has that rune on his hand. What if now that Xaden is venin he also need a rune, and he will always need Cat and Violet around?

                  Then I wonder if Cat will somehow try and get access to Haden who isn’t concerned about venin, and she will turn against Violet and Xaden for power. UGH so many thoughts here

                • Dunnne

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                  January 11, 2024 at 10:20 am

                  Idk I feel like Cat and Violet will become friends. In the end of the book their relationship is much better and I liked Cat a little better. I have another theory I think Violets mom is venin because I saw a detail that I disn’t see before. When they are in battle field and they are talking about what’s lost and the folklore and everything. Violets says that when she was little she read this book that her father gave her (the one about venin) and that she swear that thought her mother was venim because she saw having red eyes. Here we still know nothing about the venin so I didn’t make the connection but I think is true (page 150 of fourth wing). That would make sense about why her mother was looking for the cure. What do you think?

                  Also Rebecca said that Violet has already manifested her signet in iron flame so all we need to know is which one might be. What do you think it is?

                  Also, why the emperyans are talking about a girl? Like I didn’t give it much importance in the moment because it was hapening too much. But like the govern of dragons are talking about a girl that is going to become a scribe? There has to be more to it and violet has to be special in some way. What do you think?

                • Dunnne

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                  January 11, 2024 at 10:13 am

                  Uuuh yeah I get it. I’m in love with Xaden too. Maybe it would been good that he had seen Cat naked on the door insted of violet and said something hahahha, something more like this. Not him steping in for violet. Idk. I’m obsess if he turns venom I’m crying. I’m super scared because I think that the third book will end with him turning full venom. 😭

                • Cory

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                  January 11, 2024 at 10:28 am

                  I hope Rebecca Yarros sees this and send us all a kindness…we need a happy ending at the end of this.

                  I look at Xaden turning venin as a good thing. I don’t know why, but I’m not as upset about it as I should be. I think nature likes all things in balance, right? And since Violet is soooo powerful, I think maybe Xaden needed to balance it all out.

                  I do hope we get a happy ending tho.

                  Having said all that, I wonder if Cat will become an ally or a fierce enemy. We’re liking Cat more by the end of the book aren’t we? We’re feeling comfortable with her around. But…BUT, is that to let our guard down? Will the author strike again and shock us with something?

                • Dunnne

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                  January 11, 2024 at 10:32 am

                  yeah but in what way Xaden turning venom will valance violets power? In case he is becoming even more powerful. An he is also really powerful because he has two signets (about that thats why when they were tryinging so Dain couldn’t acces violets memories and putting uo the ward Xaden always was saying that he was better than most hahaha). I don’t know why but I think that violet will turn too.😱

      • Cory

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        January 9, 2024 at 6:59 pm

        I think your mom is into something 🙁 this is making me so so sad

  • Cory

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    January 2, 2024 at 9:21 pm

    I was first so excited about writing the theory about Violet’s dad. I honestly thought I have it all figured out. And then…yeah, Rebecca Yarros said that he’s definitely dead and got me a little deflated. (But there is more to the story and I know it. I think violets real dad is not dead. Not conventionally anyway)

    But that’s how theories work. You think and make notes and eventually you go so many directions 😅

    Do you think general venin has something to do with xadens family line? Dad? Grandad?

    I do think RY will kill Xaden for us but only temporarily. I still pray to the empyrean gods that we will get a HEA.

    P.s lots of red flags with Xaden but he’s just…hot Xaden 🤷‍♀️🤭

    @Sarajean_xO

    • Sarajean_xO

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      January 3, 2024 at 10:44 am

      I know, I was so excited about it when I read it too and was thinking it makes so much sense until I saw that interview!

      I dunno, I read some theories about General Venin having something to do with Xadens Mam maybe? But I think it is a man so could be his Dad/Grandfather! Could explain why he said they were looking for him at the last battle rather than Violet? Or maybe they knew that he would be more likely to reach for the source to protect Violet than she would the other way around.

      I’m hoping/thinking it could be something like in the Hunger Games (I don’t like to compare the 2 but just came to mind) with Peeta where the Capital corrupt his mind against Katniss but in the end he can see through it and see what’s real but just has to question it sometimes which means him having to 100% trust what she says is real so feeds into to the trust thing between them. I think I’m just hoping this is it because then Xaden isn’t dying which I am not emotionally stable enough to handle!

      I see the red flags with him but I just think they come from a place of love and trying to protect her. Even with the 2nd signet, he knew if anyone finds out there’s a huge chance he would be killed which could kill Sgaeyl and then Tairn/Violet!

      Sorry, a bit of a brain dump there, none of my friends are readers so I’ve noone to talk to about it 🙈 I’m working on trying to get them into it!

      • Cory

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        January 3, 2024 at 10:51 am

        I love a brain dump. You should see my daily schedule and notes. Finally, I’ve found my people.

        So super crazy but I think Xaden’s mum is some sort of Goddess. I’m on my 4th re-read (I’m doing this to discover more theories) and I don’t know why, but that’s what I’m feeling.

        I also think Xaden’s red flags come from a place of inexperience and love. We know he loves Violet no matter what and that’s kinda enough for me. Oh you know what, I haven’t even considered this. You are right, the parallel between Peeta and Katniss. Sure, I get it that it’s a different book but it’s a really good analogy. Venin will corrupt him a lot. I do think he needs to step up and do something incredible to somewhat redeem himself a little.

        While I love it that he “sacrificed” himself, I’m also a bit upset with him that he did all that to Sgaeyl. But it’s hard not to love the guy. “I’m not attracted to toxic men..here I am getting all attracted.”

  • dmajnik

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    January 3, 2024 at 10:22 am

    yess there are so many goof theories but RY just said that they are wrong so thank you Sarah for the bideo I will watch it❤️.

    But yes i agree that Xaden is just Xaden and you can’t just stop loving him but arghhh I just don’t know what to do with him, like the scene with “my house, my chair, my woman” I fr started screaming i just couldn’t.

    so yeah i agree about that Tairn probably killed Naolin because it’s a very smart theory so kudos on that😍. But yeah i really don’t know if Sgaeyl will be able to even break the bond because she will probably try to convince him to somehow control. If he dies he will probably lose his venin?? but if he doesn’t die I think he will just learn how to live with venin and will not find the cure just try to control it. Xoxo💋

    again sorry for the mistakes i write very fast hahah

    • Cory

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      January 3, 2024 at 10:53 am

      The throne scene made Iron Flame… (chef’s kiss!)

      Because honestly, Cat was so getting on my nerves, it was the perfect timing. And Violet’s comeback argh so good. But yeah, RY did say that we needed drama for 5 whole books, so I’m guessing this is only the beginning!

  • Sarajean_xO

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    January 3, 2024 at 10:50 am

    Something just popped into my head so putting it here so I don’t forget, I wonder could Xaden have a brother that could be General Venin or linked in someway? Maybe the Mam was pregnant when she left and the brother envied Xaden for the life he had with their Dad in Riorson House when he didn’t get that opportunity

    • Cory

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      January 3, 2024 at 10:56 am

      Ok so there is a theory on the main blog at empyreanriders created by one of the readers. I will try and find it. Basically, this lady said that she thinks Bodhi is actually Xaden’s brother. Like his real brother. Almost like a bit of a GOT situation here.

      And I think maybe Fen’s sister had to look after Bodhi for some reason. Either Bodhi is his full or half brother, but def not cousion. And the more I read about the two, the more I agree. He’s literally Xaden with softer features. Cousins do have some looks in common, but not strikingly similar, surely.

  • dmajnik

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    January 3, 2024 at 1:59 pm

    yess!! you both have such good theories!!

    there will probably be more of xadens and maybe violets family. there will be so much drama. But maybe I think that Violets second signet will have something to do with venin, maybe she will have the power to cure them?? or maybe Andarna will have such power, or maybe she will have more powers because she is so rare as the 7th breed dragon? I agree with the teory that Andarna knows how to kill venin because it’s very logical.

    I aslo want to know what will happen with Jack, cause i have a feeling he will die, and I can say the same for some side characters( maybe Cat because she will probably do some honorable thing and die like General Lilith Sorrengail?

    xoxo

    • Cory

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      January 3, 2024 at 2:10 pm

      I’m so certain Andarna can kill venin. Or, I have this new theory (will write it on the main blog soon) that feathertails / adolescents can kill venin. But once they mature, they cannot anymore.

      I think we will have a lot of family drama FOR SURE. And my money’s on how much Violet will be shocked to know that her dad and her mum were in the know with this whole venin thing. And how many secrets they kept. But Violet will discover them all and I’m HERE for it.

      I just don’t think Jack will die. Maybe in the end. Or perhaps they will cure him. I am with you on this one, I reckon Cat will redeem herself. She’s already helped Violet and I can see her getting more involved. But I think she is hungry for power and I can see her doing a move on Aaric’s brother just to get the crown.

      • rendevouss

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        January 3, 2024 at 7:49 pm

        I think you theorized somewhere that feathertails’ gifts may be essential in defeating the venin, and I wonder if their gifts are more powerful in more powerful breeds? Tairn said that 2 black dragons had hatched recently, and I wonder if they could help, maybe from afar. But maybe feathertails don’t develop gifts right away. I think I’m digging myself into a very unlikely hole but I think the mysteries around feathertails could be an important plotpoint.

  • dmajnik

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    January 3, 2024 at 2:41 pm

    that’s a good theory but wouldn’t that be very hard for feathertails since they are waaay smaller than wyvern? of course if you mean to kill wyvern, but as you said that they could kill venin, do you think that they would br able to kill them with their magic that thry have before they become adolescents? Hope you post the theory soon do I don’t bother you too much with this.

    but I really don’t know about Jack, like do you think he at the end will help the good side? or will he die/live on the bad side till his end?

    but for Cat yeah she is very thirsty for power so yeah I agree with you on this one, she will a 100% do everything to get the crown or just a lot of power.

    xoxo

    • Cory

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      January 4, 2024 at 2:54 pm

      I don’t think Jack will survive till the end. Ok, it’s a lie. I think he will because honestly, he’s such a bad character I can’t imagine that we’ll rid of him so easily. I was so happy when he died in FW.

      Feathertails are smaller when it comes to wyvern. But maybe still big enough to fight venin? Although they have paws and basically no fire. So probably not no. I think that’s just Andarna and her breed being able to kill venin with fire.

      So then indeed, what is the role of the feathertails. There is one… x

      • dmajnik

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        January 4, 2024 at 2:58 pm

        yes there must be a role for them? or it’s only like a part of a dragons life circle. Andrana has a 100% something to do with venin and wyvern in the way that she could kill them. but for feathertails i really don’t know maybe it’s like uou said it just has to do something with Andarnas breed. Cause we know only about Andarna as being the 7th breed, but what about thr islands? Maybe there are more of her breed?

        xoxo

        • Naz1112

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          January 4, 2024 at 3:15 pm

          Now those pesky islands are the thing I can’t stop thinking about. 🧐

          • Cory

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            January 4, 2024 at 3:34 pm

            1000% Those islands. I also noticed that Tairn is the second biggest dragon “on the continent”. I’m like…wait a damn second.

  • silver_one

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    January 3, 2024 at 7:32 pm

    I wish he would have been more open with Violet. The back and forth between them was a bit frustrating. But I still love him very much and am very intrigued by his character. Can’t wait to see how the story unfolds!

    • Cory

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      January 4, 2024 at 2:55 pm

      I cannot wait to see the story. I don’t know how we will deal until Book 3…it’s such a long time. Maybe we will get more info on the series before then

      • Naz1112

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        January 4, 2024 at 3:12 pm

        We hopelessly try to fill the void with other books till the next one hits the printers.

    • dmajnik

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      January 4, 2024 at 3:00 pm

      yess! when they kept going to the same fight over and over again. It bugged me a lot but I guess that is the drama we need to have 3 more books.

      xoxo

    • Naz1112

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      January 4, 2024 at 3:05 pm

      Same. They. Have this continuous argument and it’s tedious. I wanted t shake her. Either make peace you’re never going to know everything and trust his not going to hurt you. Or decide you. Can’t deal with it and end it. That was my tiny qualm with Violet this book. Otherwise loved it.

  • Naz1112

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    January 4, 2024 at 2:46 pm

    I just don’t know. I’m on the fence. I’m giving till book 3 before I make up my mind.

    • Cory

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      January 4, 2024 at 2:55 pm

      I feel that’s very reasonable. He really upset me when turning venin. But then again, he did do it for love.

      • Naz1112

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        January 4, 2024 at 3:00 pm

        Love sure that’s one part of it. I’d say self-preservation. Dude has a lot of stuff to do still I feel he still has a ton more secrets.

        • dmajnik

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          January 4, 2024 at 3:02 pm

          oh and the secrets also! I thought that he became clear after everything cause i really had a feeling that he will finally start doing something in the relationship but i guess not…

          xoxo

          • Naz1112

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            January 4, 2024 at 3:07 pm

            Tell me about it. I was all its all going to be spelled out in the next book spelled out in the sky in bold and Rebecca was like NOPE. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

    • dmajnik

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      January 4, 2024 at 3:01 pm

      you are totally right! the problem is i just can’t wait till the next book!🤦‍♀️

      xoxo

      • Naz1112

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        January 4, 2024 at 3:08 pm

        And theres nothing to fill that void with. NOTHING.

        • Cory

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          January 4, 2024 at 3:36 pm

          Have you read A Fire in the Flesh? Not saying it’s going to numb the pain haha but it helps a little. Starts a bit slow, but I LOVE Nyktos.

          • Naz1112

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            January 4, 2024 at 3:59 pm

            I haven’t. I’ll def give it a try thanks.

            😀

  • Goldenflame11

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    January 4, 2024 at 3:14 pm

    I honestly still love him. He made his choices out of love and would do anything for Violet. You could tell throw out the whole book he was trying HARD to get violet to trust not only him but herself as well. Now, with the ending, we might get to see in book three if Violet learned from this book and return the favor by doing anything and everything to get Xaden back.

    Also, I might be biased as he is my new comfort character lol.

    • Cory

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      January 4, 2024 at 3:37 pm

      He is my new comfort character as well. He is a very good shadow book boyfriend. I have to admit. 😀

    • Sarajean_xO

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      January 4, 2024 at 3:45 pm

      I am the same as you! I am so biased because I just love him so much 🙈 I love how he’s such a tough guy to everyone but has this soft side with her and would literally do anything for her but has so much respect for her. It’s not like he feels like he has to mind her or anything, it’s more of just a protective thing because he cares, not because he thinks she’s not able to look after herself.

      • Virg

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        January 5, 2024 at 9:45 am

        I really agree with you. I fell HARD for that man

      • Cory

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        January 5, 2024 at 9:51 am

        To me, he is like a crunchy biscuit on the outside, covered with dark chocolate and a marshmallow on the inside. Basically, a chocolate marshmallow tea cake 😅

  • Virg

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    January 5, 2024 at 9:41 am

    Okay, so I decided to make that man my fictional husband throughout the book. Not only cause really hot stuff happened but also because he was loyal as hell to violet and accepted some choices of her, especially later on. I also liked how he basically acted around his second signet but the actual reveal scene was not my favourite because there he was trying to avoid it. The whole Cat thing wasn’t so big for me cause a) what could he really have done? and b) later on I decided I like her so that cleared up itself.

    Now to the ending: I’m torn. Before those last two chapters he was acting really good and all. I genuinely think it was the venin general’s plan to have him turn, maybe not with killing him but becoming a part of their army. Now we don’t know what that says for the future and prominently his relationship with Vi. Can they still be physical? Does she trust him this time? Does he like (a little, not leaving and running away cause he thinks he’s not good for her) distance himself for her own safety? But aside from all that, my biggest problem is why he did this in the first place and if he could’ve found another way. Other than that I’m wondering how the thing with Sgaeyl will go regarding what she said before he turned and how she was silent afterwards.

    I think I still like him cause hopefully his character stays the same and I trust him to have enough self control (he repeatedly said that only slips when it comes to Vi which worries me at the same time). I wish he stays on “the good side” but mainly with Vi and continues to be the character we got to know til now. Because I really developed a sincere fictional character obsession so that’s my hope

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    • Cory

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      January 5, 2024 at 9:49 am

      He is a fantastic book boyfriend/husband isn’t he? Red flags and all…I mean, c’mon, it’s Xaden!
      But yes, I agree he is really loyal to Violet. I love it that love made him into a morally grey character which I don’t know why but makes me weirdly happy. Like he’s not a GOOD guy you know? He is just a guy in love who would literally “happily watch Aretia burn if that meant Violet is safe”.

      The Cat thing really upset me. I was so annoyed that he didn’t just put her in her place somehow. While Cat has grown on me too, I’m very afraid of her because I think she will do some shady stuff for Navarre’s crown. She wants power above all.

      There are a few things we know about that ending. Hear me out:
      – He is still connected to Sgaeyl. There are shadows around him. He is very much a shadow wielder still.
      – She is quiet because maybe she is afraid of him. Or upset with him. Or trying to shield him out of fear. They can control dragons right? So I think Sgaeyl is thinking, assessing, wondering.
      – Violet knows he is venin. She saw the red in his eyes. She knows. But somehow, they slept in the same room still. Whatever happened, whatever it has been said, Violet still trusts him somehow.
      – I think Xaden will do some shady stuff not out of control but FOR Violet. We, as readers and “morally good characters” will argue that what he might do is wrong. But from the perspective of love, we will agree with him.

  • Virg

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    January 5, 2024 at 10:04 am

    I absolutely agree with your points. I totally understand that you are scared cause of what Cat might do and you were annoyed by her but weirdly that’s sometimes the kind of character I like, idk. About Sgaeyl: I knew all that but I’m wondering how she’ll go on to deal with it and if maybe she feels betrayed by him or something.<div>I really hope Vi learned to REALLY trust him and tries to understand his motives while trying to help him. I’m quite excited to see what he does for Vi as you mentioned cause the things he did for her in this book were FIRE. </div><div>And yes, he IS a good book bf/husband. The point with being morally grey you mentioned is what I meant when I said the things he did for her were fantastic. I guess they were some of my faves (and I count the throne scene to these because, you know, it not something to usually do).</div>

    • Cory

      Organizer
      January 5, 2024 at 10:20 am

      I also kinda low-key like Cat. She has the sort of confidence I wish I had. I think her and Aaric’s older brother will be a thing. Or even her and Aaric ultimately. Although my money’s on Aaric and Sloane. At least that’s what I would like to happen.

      HA! I have a theory about Sgaeyl and how she will deal. I think Tairn will try to kill Xaden or try to convince Sgaeyl to kill him or something crazy. I reckon there will be a lot of drama between them. Because I think they did have hatchlings so Tairn is terrified that the mother of his hatchlings is connected to venin. And I think Sgaeyl will start to small bad too! (not sure if you’ve seen my theory about smells)

      Book 3 will be Violet become a strong woman again. I can feel it. I think she’s fully done with all the crap thrown at her. I can see her the strong, powerful crazy good Violet. And I think Cat will help with this too!

  • Naz1112

    Member
    February 19, 2024 at 10:54 am

    I am on the fence about him atm. Just reread Iron Flame and well… He still has somethings to learn. I understand his not perfect but his got a bit further of a way to go before I can say he’s my favourite character again. Book 3 better do him justice cos book 2 wasn’t his best look.

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